tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5439168179960787195.post527906868834734162..comments2024-03-19T20:38:11.255+10:00Comments on Condensed concepts: The insatiable greed of commercial journalsRoss H. McKenziehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09950455939572097456noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5439168179960787195.post-32874994300655718292012-01-17T16:46:48.062+10:002012-01-17T16:46:48.062+10:00Publishing in open journals is an appealing idea, ...Publishing in open journals is an appealing idea, but lets turn to the reality on the ground:<br /><br />I did a quick search on the 2010 ERA journal rankings for the string "open" and found nothing. <br /><br />Then, I checked the ISI journal citation indices and found, again, nothing.<br /><br />So, until the research environment changes or these journals start getting ranked in the common databases, publishing in open journals is going to be a lot like learning to speak Esperanto.<br /><br />You can't get there from here.Seth Olsenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09304457461800104790noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5439168179960787195.post-85376899657720273992012-01-16T22:00:00.590+10:002012-01-16T22:00:00.590+10:00I agree, one might not expect there is a differenc...I agree, one might not expect there is a difference. However, there is a huge difference:<br /><br />http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/1.881125<br /><br />A survey of more than 200 journals shows that their cost‐effectiveness, as measured by the ratio of the cost per printed character to the frequency with which articles are cited, varies by three orders of magnitude.<br /><br />Gordon and Breach were so upset about this article they sued AIP and APS. See<br /><br />http://librarians.aps.org/BrodskyMcIrathEdit.pdfRoss H. McKenziehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09950455939572097456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5439168179960787195.post-61128113288943184602012-01-16T19:45:58.826+10:002012-01-16T19:45:58.826+10:00What I don't understand though, is the differe...What I don't understand though, is the difference in cost between open access and payed journals. <br /><br />Payed journals have permanent subscription costs but lower (or no) publishing costs. Open access have no subscription costs but substantial publishing costs. Both subscription and publishing costs are equally tax-payer subsidised, aren't they?<br /><br />Both must have editors on staff who send manuscripts off for review, edit, and typeset. Presumably these costs are equal in both cases.<br /><br />So then the only difference I can envisage in the cost to the tax-payer, is if the journal itself is making money for its owners or shareholders. But then, the APS is a .org, and Science is as well... <br /><br />So I don't see the difference. What am I missing?Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08582644751812812675noreply@blogger.com